Dorothy Webb is very erratic with her emotions when dealing with people, swearing and screaming on the phone , changing her story, and not listening very good. I sold her a puppy whose papers were slightly delayed through the AKC and she accused me of everything under the sun, and even threatened me with the FBI, criminal justice department, etc. The puppy she bought from me is going to be used for breeding,(the dog she said had no papers), by the way he is fully registered.
After selling her the puppy she informed me she only keeps her dogs until they can no longer breed and then gets rid of them, i think that is shameful , what a cash cow. I NEVER WOULD HAVE SOLD HER THIS PUPPY knowing that, just because the dog cant make you any more money, doesnt mean it is right or time to get rid of them...After doing further research on Dorothy Webb she used to sell shih tzus, Where are all of those dogs now?
One of the many DEFINITIONS OF A PUPPY MILL: A place where dogs are kept exclusively for breeding, and once the dogs can no longer breed and earn a profit, they are disposed of and replaced.
Do not buy from this breeder!! It seems all Dorothy Webb is trying to do is make a quick buck at the expense of our furry family members. Please do your research and ask question when buying or selling a puppy you can even ask for references.
First of all one has to question why you continue posting lies and innuendos against me. Your initial posting meets the legal benchmark for libel since it not based on any fact and is done with the malicious intent of getting even for my earlier complaint about you.
Just as Ms Horvath seems to miss the point of why a customer who paid $2230 for a registered dog would be unhappy when, instead of receiving those papers with the dog, was at various times lied to, ignored or verbally abused, she misses the point that her high volume, internet-based breeding business probably comes far closer to meeting the definition of a "puppy mill" than my business with just 2 breeding females.
But unlike Ms Horvath, I will stick to the facts:
1. Your puppyfind.com ad that I responded to on 1-19-2014 claimed that my dog was AKC registered. However, the dame, Tojas TS1317502 was not even registered with the AKC until 4-14-14 - Transaction # 20140407003001013. The litter itself wasn't registered until the following day - Transaction # 20140415007000825. (and no, merely having the transfer of ownership from the dam's litter does not constitute the dog being registered, the AKC does not consider a dog as registered until you submit it's individual registration application and fees). This by definition makes your ad misleading, if not fraudulent,merely to entice sales. I would not have purchased this dog if you had been upfront about these facts.
2. While you don't seem to understand why me as a buyer would be upset on not receiving the registration papers and health records I paid for at the time I received my puppy, as an experienced breeder of 12 years, you should know this is what AKC regulations state in regards to shipping a dog:
"If properly completed AKC papers are not supplied with the dog when it is shipped or delivered to someone else, the person delivering or shipping the dog must furnish with the dog to the person acquiring it a bill of sale or other signed memorandum giving all of the identifying information listed below. A PROMISE OF LATER INDENTIFICATION IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
For a Dog Not Yet Individually Registered:
breed
sex and color and markings
date of birth
litter number
names and numbers of sire and dam
name of breeder
date sold or delivered"
3. There were only 3 puppies in this litter, yet 2 of those 3 buyers were forced to submit complaints to the Ohio Better Business Bureau in order to have Ms Horvath/ Tipping Point Farm deliver in full what they had paid for:
4. I posted my positive update to my initial complaint as a gesture of good will when I finally did receive my registration papers a full 68 days after I took delivery of my puppy. In retrospect, considering Ms Horvath's continued attempts to harass and bad-mouth me, I now stand by my original assessment of her as a breeder and businesswomen:
I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND BUYING A PUPPY FROM MICHELLE HORVATH/TIPPING POINT FARM.
Any further libelous postings by Ms Horvath will be met with a legal response.
Pretty Pugs of Texas Reviews
Dorothy Webb is very erratic with her emotions when dealing with people, swearing and screaming on the phone , changing her story, and not listening very good. I sold her a puppy whose papers were slightly delayed through the AKC and she accused me of everything under the sun, and even threatened me with the FBI, criminal justice department, etc. The puppy she bought from me is going to be used for breeding,(the dog she said had no papers), by the way he is fully registered.
After selling her the puppy she informed me she only keeps her dogs until they can no longer breed and then gets rid of them, i think that is shameful , what a cash cow. I NEVER WOULD HAVE SOLD HER THIS PUPPY knowing that, just because the dog cant make you any more money, doesnt mean it is right or time to get rid of them...After doing further research on Dorothy Webb she used to sell shih tzus, Where are all of those dogs now?
One of the many DEFINITIONS OF A PUPPY MILL: A place where dogs are kept exclusively for breeding, and once the dogs can no longer breed and earn a profit, they are disposed of and replaced.
Do not buy from this breeder!! It seems all Dorothy Webb is trying to do is make a quick buck at the expense of our furry family members. Please do your research and ask question when buying or selling a puppy you can even ask for references.
Sincerely,
Michelle H******
Tipping Point Farm
Let's Just Deal with the Facts!
First of all one has to question why you continue posting lies and innuendos against me. Your initial posting meets the legal benchmark for libel since it not based on any fact and is done with the malicious intent of getting even for my earlier complaint about you.
Just as Ms Horvath seems to miss the point of why a customer who paid $2230 for a registered dog would be unhappy when, instead of receiving those papers with the dog, was at various times lied to, ignored or verbally abused, she misses the point that her high volume, internet-based breeding business probably comes far closer to meeting the definition of a "puppy mill" than my business with just 2 breeding females.
But unlike Ms Horvath, I will stick to the facts:
1. Your puppyfind.com ad that I responded to on 1-19-2014 claimed that my dog was AKC registered. However, the dame, Tojas TS1317502 was not even registered with the AKC until 4-14-14 - Transaction # 20140407003001013. The litter itself wasn't registered until the following day - Transaction # 20140415007000825. (and no, merely having the transfer of ownership from the dam's litter does not constitute the dog being registered, the AKC does not consider a dog as registered until you submit it's individual registration application and fees). This by definition makes your ad misleading, if not fraudulent,merely to entice sales. I would not have purchased this dog if you had been upfront about these facts.
2. While you don't seem to understand why me as a buyer would be upset on not receiving the registration papers and health records I paid for at the time I received my puppy, as an experienced breeder of 12 years, you should know this is what AKC regulations state in regards to shipping a dog:
"If properly completed AKC papers are not supplied with the dog when it is shipped or delivered to someone else, the person delivering or shipping the dog must furnish with the dog to the person acquiring it a bill of sale or other signed memorandum giving all of the identifying information listed below. A PROMISE OF LATER INDENTIFICATION IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
For a Dog Not Yet Individually Registered:
breed
sex and color and markings
date of birth
litter number
names and numbers of sire and dam
name of breeder
date sold or delivered"
3. There were only 3 puppies in this litter, yet 2 of those 3 buyers were forced to submit complaints to the Ohio Better Business Bureau in order to have Ms Horvath/ Tipping Point Farm deliver in full what they had paid for:
http://www.bbb.org/cleveland/Business-Reviews/dog-breeders/tipping-point-farm-in-wakeman-oh-92008136/complaints#breakdown
4. I posted my positive update to my initial complaint as a gesture of good will when I finally did receive my registration papers a full 68 days after I took delivery of my puppy. In retrospect, considering Ms Horvath's continued attempts to harass and bad-mouth me, I now stand by my original assessment of her as a breeder and businesswomen:
I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND BUYING A PUPPY FROM MICHELLE HORVATH/TIPPING POINT FARM.
Any further libelous postings by Ms Horvath will be met with a legal response.