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My sister Ruth wanted information about this so called business. Jordan Davis asked her to name 3 things she would want if she could make that money in 3 months, 6 months and 1 year. She was told that it would not cost her, but they needed her credit card to show them her interest so that they wouldn't be wasting their time.
My sister has a memory problem due to a car accident and being abused by her ex husband. She can not think clearly nor remember. She has legal papers stating she can not sign contracts. The fast talking salesmen had her and her friend who she refers as her husband confused and she did what they asked. Feeling stressed out, she figured she would cancel the next day when they called back.
when she was called, she was told she had 3 days to cancell..however, in those 3 days, she did call but was told there was no one available and leave her number for them to call back. She didn't hear from them until after the 3 days were over. she did talk to a coach, Cory Claunch who was going to "teach" her how to apply for ebay and pay pal, which she already had and never used. She kept telling the coach that she wasn't interested but he continued to confuse her and rush her off the phone. She tried several times to talk to Erin Murray the "Big Boss" but he is so busy ripping other people off that he continues to tell her he will call her back after he goes over her folder and he would "try" to help her get some of her money back and out of the contract but it would be hard since they pay everyone before they do any work.
We have included a sampling of what real students actually say about their Impact Training experience:”
"I'm learning to live in the moment and to lean in to my life! I'm creating love and trust in my world and to be my word.”
“It took me 7 years to go to Impact. I cannot believe I was so skeptical. Impact Training is a series of experiences that assisted me to look inward and release bad experiences from my past and to appreciate life. Appreciation in good times and bad. My experience started in January 2013; life still gets better every day. It sounds strange but I see issues that come up with a clearer outlook. Everyone seems to receive different gifts about themselves because it is individual learning. It isn't a lecture it is a different learning experience I have ever know. I am thankful everyday that I went through their doors! I have lifelong friends across the country now that I consider family! All I can say is don't be like me and waste 7 years - go to a free Tuesday class or phone conference. Sit in the back of the room or be silent on the phone and just listen...listen to your heart and you will know if this is right for you!”
"When I started my first training with Impact Training, it was completely different than what I thought it would be. Six years later I honestly can't believe (or I can) how the trainings have positively affected my life. Relationships are better. Businesses are better and I can create peace in my life at any moment I choose...amazing experience...I love experiential learning...go for it!”
“As I have attended courses at Impact Training, my life has been dramatically improved in a positive way! I have gained clarity for my life's purpose, who I am, and why I am here. I have released guilt, regret, and resentment towards others and myself that I had upon entering Impact. I gained a new-found gratitude for a 5 year relationship with my ex-husband that I used to feel pain and sorrow towards; I often victimized myself. I learned to be accountable for me and my life. Impact worked based on how well I kept my word and trusted the process. I came up with all of my own profound answers and most of the time it felt like I wasn't learning something new, but rather remembering.”
“My experiences at Impact Training continue to improve my relationship with others every day. I was very shy and mad about negative things that had hurt me or betrayed me. I would smile through life but suffer in silence. Impact has brought out the positive happy side and assisted me to appreciate everyday as a gift no matter what. I am so grateful for my angels Diana and Kelly for introducing me to this beautiful place. It holds a special place in my heart :)”
Impact Trainings Hans Berger, Sally Berger, Justin Atkinson, Impact Trainings staff in April 2004 How My Marriage Was Ended By an Organization Full of Frauds and Manipulators Bluffdale, Utah
In April of 2004 I was convinced by my soon to be ex wife at that time to go through the self help program put on by Impact Trainings, located in Bluffdale, Utah. What I discovered during the 2 stages of the program that I went to ended up being an overpriced, overrated, manipulative means of telling people how they needed to fix themselves. I firmly believe that this organization's purpose in existing was to tell people how to live their lives rather than those people finding the truth for themselves.
The organization in essence ruined the relationship between my ex wife and I as well as showed how much they were more concerned about fixing people instead of sharing experiences they had been through themselves as a means of inspiring people. After the first 2 stages I'd spent over $2,000 on their ridiculous programs as well as losing a job in the process. This company truly was only concerned about padding its bottom line than it was actually helping people improve their lives.
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and I can sit here to tell you that the program that Impact Trainings is based off of is relative to what the LDS Church teaches. The only difference between the two is that in learning the doctrines of the LDS Church will cost you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. No religion will try to manipulate or scam you into how you should live your life. I firmly believe that Impact Trainings exists only as a high priced, mental getaway for people who don't know how to fix themselves.
Impact Trainings Cult threatened my life when I decided to not continue. bluffdale, Utah
I was recruited to the Impact Trainings through someone who works with my best friend. We went to the first training (500$ each), and were led to believe that we were attending a professional career/communication conference (I know now that the cult members are forced to "recruit" a quota of members, or they are kicked out). I'm a teacher in California, so I thought this sounded great and worthwhile.
I knew right away that it wasn't what we were led to believe. The "leaders" right away yelled at everyone and made seemingly emotionally weak people break-down and cry. We were not allowed to eat, and on day 1, we were forced to turn in all prescribed medications (which I did not). We were told that we were not allowed to talk to outside people about anything that happened within the cult. They yelled and ridiculed many... We were forced to kneel in front of a chair and beat it, pretending it was one of our family members. When I refused, two leaders approached me and yelled at me. They threatened me and said that I wasn't "going the distance". I still refused to beat the chair. On another occasion, we were all forced to lay down and imagine being burried in a casket during our funeral. They told us that this was how our life would end, with our family members knowing that we weren't worthy of living. I saw even after one day, how very weak people instantly became dependent on the power hans had over them.
On the third day, my friend had to leave for a funeral. After the following day, I was so offended and disturbed by the activities that I told my "angel" (what they call the person in the cult who recruited you) that while respecting her own opionions and involvement within the organization, it was not for me and that I was leaving the next morning. I was verbally attacked by two cult members in a car. I was told that if I really decided to leave the cult, my life would amount to nothing and that "I would die." One of the members in the car was turned all the way around from the front seat, screaming at me and pointing her finger in my face. I was hoping these two individuals were taking me to a hotel, but didn't really know WHERE they were taking me/what would happen. I was scared for my life, but am grateful now that I made it out safe and sound.
I'm sharing this because I want people to be informed and stay away from this organization. My friend and I got out, and are so grateful we were strong enough to see through everything. FYI this cult member is a 50 year old VOLUNTEER coach at CAL BERKELEY. Coaching staff is aware of everything and this person will be removed from staff at the end of the year, however, this is serious. I have family members who work on the utah sate legislature, and it is only a matter of time before the government disasembles this cult. STAY AWAY.
Impact Training, Aka Impact Trainings Since 1985, Impact Bluffdale Utah, Hans Berger, Sally Berger Since 1985, Impact Bluffdale Utah, Quest, Summit, Lift-Off Impact Trainings uses humiliation, degradation, and mental abuse to hurt people emotionally and steal their money through high-pressure sales tactics. Literally forcing people to pay them thousands of dollars. Shouls be shut down by the Utah Attorney Generals Office Imnmediately!! Please Help!!! Bluffdale Utah
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My Impact Trainings Experience - Exposing the Training as nothing more than mind control and mental humiliation!
Ever been told by a person that has attended Impact Training in Bluffdale, Utah that they cant tell you about the processes and activities that occur in Impact Trainings?
Well, that's because Impact knows that if anyone really knew what happens inside the training room, nobody would sign-up. Who pays to be insulted, humiliated, degraded? Below you will find an account of many of the processes that occur in Impact Training.
THIS IS WHAT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW, AND HAVE FORCED THEIR PARTICIPANTS TO VOW NEVER TO REVEAL!
Having recently done the Impact Trainings "Quest" course I thought I would take the opportunity to write about the experience.
LGAT stands for Large Group Awareness Training. Most of these have their roots in a course called "Mind Dynamics" which was taught in California in the late 60s and early 70s. From this came the two largest LGATs;
est/WEA/Landmark Forum founded by Werner Erhardt, and Lifespring founded by John Hanley. Other LGATs include Insight Seminars, Actualizations, PSI World and many other smaller trainings which basically use a similar process.
An LGAT experience can be summarized as following a three step
pattern.
1) Psychological breakdown/opening up the subconscious mind.
2) Catharsis or the releasing of repressed emotions usually caused by
interpretations of childhood events.
3) A rebirthing or psychological buildup with processes designed to make participants
feel good about themselves, the trainer and the course.
These processes are not proprietary and can be found in a variety of books. For the most part I can document just about every process or a variation thereof used in the Impact Trainings in Bluffdale, Utah throughout Quest, Summit, or Lift-off!
DAY 1, Thursday evening. Agree or Else
The participants sign an agreement which includes non-disclosure of the processes used. It is my understanding that mental/therapeutic processess are not proprietary, and cannot be covered by patent, copyright or trade secret laws and thus violating nondisclosure
cannot hold up in court. I will refrain from mentioning the name of the specific training I experienced and any process used in the training that cannot be documented elsewhere.
Dr. Margaret Singer writes about LGATs in her book, "Cults in Our Midst".
"The program trainers and leaders typically get agreement from participants that they will not tell anyone about the processes that occur. To do so "will spoil it for your friends, family, co-workers
etc, when they take the course. Tell them what you got out of it trainers advise. This means be vague about the actual content and provide glowing endorsements telling others that the training turned your life around but do not tell them how emotional, dramatic, confrontational, and unnerving the sessions can be for some people.
Because of this promise, consumers who buy and attend these seminars do so without information about how psychologically, socially, and sometimes physically stressing the event can be."
"Day one is usually devoted to demonstrating the leader's absolute authority. The leader, or trainer immediately takes control of the setting with a demeanor that suggests he is a powerful, in-charge person and no one is to challenge what he says. He remains totally
in charge, acts knowledgeable, and is practiced in verbal skills so that he never loses an encounter. Anyone who challenges the trainer will be humiliated and verbally mashed."
The first day started Thursday evening around 7. After some introductory stuff welcoming people, etc. the trainer brings up *THE AGREEMENT*. The attitude and tone of voice of the trainer predictably becomes stern and unyielding in a way to purposely provoke a response from the attendees.
The first point brought up is about not revealing the processes or personal information that is shared. Since people will be sharing some very deep personal secrets then this is common sense but people do not know this in advance. The processes are not unique to the course and not proprietary but people do not know this.
The second point was about attending all the course including the followup session and also being on time. Several people objected to this stating they had other commitments family or otherwise. There were some people from out of town who could not make the next
Tuesday evening followup.
Everyone of them was was met with unyielding harshness from the trainer. One of the arguments the trainer makes was if they would only "get it" they could make the space for the course in their schedule and "getting it" would also keep others from interrupting their attendance. "Getting it", of course means that we create our own reality or experience by our thinking and interpretation.
However, this is not explained at this point and is designed only to provoke more responses from attendees. Several people storm out of the room. However there are ample staff people to handle those who leave. Outside, people are pressured by the staff to return to the
course. Most end up coming back in the room while a few never return.
Other rules include not talking unless called upon, not sitting next to anyone you knew prior to the training, no eating, drinking, gum chewing, etc. Some people saw fit to argue with that. At this point the show begins to get quite boring as it had been over 3 hours that
we were in the ballroom. At least we were allowed potty breaks as needed so I took one. When I got back the trainer was finishing up the agreements and we were asked to stand if we agreed. So we did.
Then we were allowed a 20 minute break. We were reminded to be in our seats (precisely arranged and marked with tape on the floor) on time for the next part.
When we come back there is lecture which include some of the basic philosophy/pop psychology of LGATs. One can certainly read about the philosophy in John Hanley's book, Lifespring available from Lifespring (www.lifespringinc.com)
Later we were asked to pair off into a diad (one on one exercises). What we did was an awareness exercise of staring into the other persons eyes in silence for several minutes. Then we were asked to introduce ourselves and have a conversation. At the end of the
exercise we were guided to close our eyes and remind ourselves of how we behaved in the exercise, did we open up and share or did we talk superficially.
Then we did "The Trust Exercise". This consists of milling around the
room, looking people in the eyes for a minute and stating one of only
Impact Training deceptive, misleading, non-forthcoming Bluffdale , Utah
Having several family/friends who previously attended Impact, Quest and beyond, I enrolled for "training" to run Sept. 8-11, 2010. I traveled from Maryland to attend.
Having some idea of what was contained in this "training" I noted particularly the bold and underlined text in Impact literature stating that sharing is completely voluntary. While instructions were given to bring all prescribed medications and to follow all doctor orders, there was no reference whatsoever to the "ground rules" requirement to share personal medical information with unknown, lay staff in order to continue in this process.
Just prior to the first break, the ground rules were explained and agreement to all was required by show of hand, standing or sitting down. It was at this point I was first informed that I would be required, without exception, to divulge to a staff member each prescription medication I take, dose and frequency. I declined to "share" this sensitive information and was told to leave.
Impact needs to inform registrants of this type of requirement prior to them plunking down hundreds and hundreds of dollars. I am in the process of seeing to it they do just that. I am seeking input from other like-minded, disatisfied people who have been misled and deceived by Impact.
Impact Training Quest, Summit They expect and force you to remain seated for extended periods of time, causing circulatory related problems. Bluffdale Utah
In order to 'break you down', this company forces you to remain seated in one position for extended periods of time. You are not tied down physically, but you are made an example in a mentally cruel way of not following directions if you deviate from their expectations in any way. If you voice a contradictory opinion to their repremand, you will be asked to leave the group, forfeiting your 'prox $700.00 tuition. Nobody dares move.
By staying seated for so long, at one point 5 1/2 hours, it can have an effect on the circulation to your legs, which it did. I have always been a reasonably active person, but after this, I was diagnosed with a large blood clot in my left leg. My wife had (has) severe swelling and aching in her legs and feet. Neither of us ever even used our medical insurance before this 'training'. Now our premiums have doubled, our activities are restricted and we are both on continual medicine. I have the severe risk of part of the clot moving to my heart or lungs.
We want to know if there are other people out there that have experienced problems similar to these after going through the 'training'. Contact me ASAP if you know of anyone with any conditions from Impact Training. Email is (((REDACTED FOR SECURITY PURPOSES))). It's now Mar '09, but you have 7 years!
I too went to Impact. I had a different experience. It was the best thing I ever did. The chair beating was not to pretend your beating up a family member at all. It was to simply let it all out so that when you went on to the next phase of forgiving them you could leave all of it behind. Everything that they do has a meaning and requires one to be able to look outside the box a little. The going to your own funural was brilliant!! And it worked for everyone I know that went through. It was to see that if you are taking life for granted than your not living. To awaken you to breath in the morning sunshine or soak up every moment possible with your kids.. To LIVE!!! To be able to see things from different perspectives is a wonderful gift that I gained from my Impact experience and your perspective is yours, But to say that you want to save others from going is just absurd. I know many who have completely transformed their lives after going. I know at times some people get into the victim mode about the negatives as they are learning to see things differently because they are scared. I believe that is you right now. What I can agree with you on is the money thing and that there are a few flaws in the company. But it's not all bad. It has changed the lives for many and transformed their future and what they have been able to accomplish in life. Not just financially but with real authentic love and apreciating the finer things in life. If you havn't gotten to that point yet than I can see why your frustrated and I wish the best to you in finding what ever it is your looking for. I wouldn't trade my experience for the World!! And I hope that every person in this world gets the chance to experience a self awareness training at some point or another and that they let go and learn to enjoy life. :)
Impact Training. Qwest, Summit Lift Off, training They break U down by putting you down and making u feel bad about what ever u did wrong. My Impact Trainings Experience - Exposing the Training as nothing more than mind control and mental humiliatio Bluffdale , Utah
My Impact Trainings Experience Exposing the Training as nothing more than mind control and mental humiliation! The break you down and build you up.
Ever been told by a person that has attended Impact Training in Bluffdale, Utah that they can't tell you about the processes and activities that occur in Impact Trainings?
Well, that's because Impact knows that if anyone really knew what happens inside the training room, nobody would sign-up. Who pays to be insulted, humiliated, degraded? Below you will find an account of many of the processes that occur in Impact Training. I paid 400 dollars for 4 days of insults and humiliation. They us some sort of mental tactic to open up our subconscious minds. then we start thinking about shit. they make us do some of the most ridiculous exercises. Like taking a bubble bath, sing ridiculous songs to make us work up our emotional side of us, insult total strangers and vise versus. I could go on and on about this scam. Its not worth spending 400 dollars worth.
Are you seeking to be happier, more loving, more at peace with yourself and others, more optimistic, more confident? If your answer is yes, we invite you to take part in the Impact Training Seminars. Impact is about change. It's for people who want more out of life and are willing to change in order to experience more peace, love and joy. During the course of your Impact Trainings you will have the opportunity to take a deep look at all the aspects of your life. You will take an honest look at your results and how you are creating them. In doing so, you will start to discover what is working and not working on a deeper level than ever before. Areas of your life that are creating results that are less than that what you are wanting will become clear. As you move through the training, you will discover that you naturally start to let go of the behaviors and thinking that are undermining your happiness and success in life. Many graduates report that after completing the Impact Trainings, they simply see the world and themselves differently. They just seem to be happier no matter what is happening. They feel valued and loved. They experience peace and forgiveness in their lives.
Everyone is experiencing different levels of happiness in their life. And depending on what is occurring on a moment to moment level, many experience temporary increases in their love, joy and peace. Most can remember what it felt like as a child at Christmas. All the anticipation and excitement that builds. The joy of opening a gift and discovering something wonderful to play with. But then, given a little time, the wonder wears off. The toy sits on the shelf and our level of happiness returns back to the level it was before, and the child's attention goes to the next toy that will for sure make them happy, at least for a little while. This is normal human behavior for most people. Many adults get to the point where things "just don't feel good." Some will attempt to fix this by changing jobs, getting divorced or buying bigger toys. But just like the child at Christmas, given a little time, things return to their "normal" levels. Some people even go out of their way to seek these temporary spikes in emotion. Just about everyone knows someone who is an "adrenalin junkie," always looking for the next extreme sport or activity so they can "Feel Alive." But then given time these spikes return back to their own unique normal levels and the individual is left anticipating the next spike in emotion. Again, this is normal.”
"But what if you could raise your unique "normal" level so that even when nothing is going on, you feel happy, loving and peaceful? This is one of the benefits of Impact Training. Impact Training empowers you to take significant leaps towards personal happiness. Impact is an amazing training in that no matter where you are starting at, you can move forward from there. So if you are already happy or if you are at rock bottom, you can move forward. Graduates often report that they can't seem to wipe the smile off their face. With this new level of happiness and self love, many grads report that they have new energy and commitment to take on the challenges of life. When you decide to take charge of your life, you choose for yourself the path you want to travel and incredible things will happen. In the Impact Trainings, you will learn that you have the power and the clarity within you. Come discover what life can be like when you let go of the things in life weighing you down.
I enrolled in the Impact Trainings several years ago and watched my quality of life decline dramatically until I finally pulled out. All the while my bank account was being drained as I paid for trainings that not only failed to add value but encouraged me to live and act in ways that tied me to Impact while disregarding everything else in my life.
No rational or sane person would choose to be involved with the Impact Trainings if they were able to see what went on behind those doors before having to pay a fee and allow the trainers and staff to slowly condition them over a period of several days. When I finally realized what was going on around me I was forced to choose between continued involvement with the group or severing several close family relationships. Impact's marketing strategy makes it very difficult to leave because every trainee is enrolled by someone close to them and severing contact with the training means (in most cases) that the relationship will be severed as well.
Impact begins initiating trainees into its community in the Quest training. When I attended the Quest training it cost $550. Quest consists of four days of mostly intense and degrading activities that are designed to teach trainees obedience to the trainer. Once that obedience has been established the trainers and staff are able to manipulate the trainees emotions at will. This emotional control is used repeatedly through out the rest of the series to keep people paying for more training and enrolling their family and friends. After several days of degradation and a final day where the Impact trainers begin to espouse the early stages of their religious beliefs, the Quest training ends with a "graduation" and a final activity where all of the Quest trainees are either enrolled into the next stage of the training or publicly chastised for "selling out".
Summit is the second stage and cost $795 at the time that I took the training. Summit begins with a day of degradation where trainees are assigned "alternate names" such as "Daddy's Joy Toy", "Womb for Rent", "Still Nursing", "Pee wee pervert", etc and then required to visualize themselves dying and being placed in coffins because they do not deserve to live. The next 3 days involve building the trainees back up and further creating a strong sense of community inside the center by assigning people to small groups and requiring them to act out embarrassing skits (for example a group of heavy set women may be required to dress as cows, whales or belly dancers). Like Quest, the Summit Training ends with a graduation and hard-sell commitment activity designed to get people to pay for the next level. At this stage in my training there were several trainees who's finances were so tight that they resorted to begging for money from other people in the group.
Lift-Off was the third stage of the training and cost $695 at the time that I was involved. Unlike the first two trainings, which were conducted over a 4 day period, Lift-Off consisted of 4 weekends that were spread over a 13 week period. The four weekends all had different themes, one of which was "enrollment weekend" where trainees went out as groups in an effort to fill seats at the next Quest training. Each Trainee in Lift-Off was assigned a specific staff member that they were required to call 3 times a week. Lift-Off was not as dramatic as the other trainings and as a result there were not as many break downs among the trainees. Lift-Off seemed to solidify much of the conditioning that occurred in Quest and Summit as well as provide a bridge between the first two trainings and the next series.
After Lift-Off, trainees are encouraged to "keep their training alive" by volunteering to work on the staff in future Quest, Summit and Lift-Off trainings. Impact Trainings does not screen their volunteer staff at all. I was aware of several registered sex offenders that were allowed to be leaders over new trainees, one of them even staffed a training for teens. I knew of 4 staff members, in my 2 years with the company, who engaged in sexual relationships with trainees. Despite these egregious actions by staff members, I never saw Impact make any effort to screen their staff members for the protection of the new trainees. Since the Impact community claims to value love and forgiveness above all else, the lack of screening is justified by the "everyone deserves a second chance" philosophy.
The next step for the trainees is to begin the "Trainer in Training" program. Trainer in Training 1 cost $1500 and was the first training specifically designed to influence the trainees' religious beliefs and spirituality. Hans Berger spoke openly in my training of his alleged communications with spirits. He also claimed to have worked in "Intelligence" for the US government. One of the processes in this training involves Hans giving detailed, non-biblical, accounts of the life of Jesus. Later on in the Trainer in Training series Hans claimed to have learned this information and the processes of the Impact Trainings themselves through face to face communicatons with Jesus, Buddha and other "Ascended Masters".
Trainer in Training 2 cost $1800 and further developed the trainees belief that they had the power to create miracles and talk with the deceased. Many trainees at this stage begin to revere Hans Berger as a prophet. The Impact trainers would periodically make statements such as "Hans is not a Prophet" or "Impact Trainings is not a religion" but those statements only served to change the trainees' language as they still continue to build their lives around every word that came out of Hans' mouth.
The Impact Trainings is a manipulative self improvement training that grows into a religious cult where the trainers act like gods among men. I personally heard Hans state on several occasions "I am God". If you are considering attending the Impact Trainings I highly recommend consulting a trained and licensed therapist. In my 2 years of involvement with the training I never saw anyone leave the group in a state of emotional health. Those that stayed continued to pay large amounts of money to the group and spend several weeks each year providing free labor on the volunteer staff.
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Impact KI AKA E-Commerce Pay Coach for Information Available for FREE (RIP OFF) Sandy Utah
My sister Ruth wanted information about this so called business. Jordan Davis asked her to name 3 things she would want if she could make that money in 3 months, 6 months and 1 year. She was told that it would not cost her, but they needed her credit card to show them her interest so that they wouldn't be wasting their time.
My sister has a memory problem due to a car accident and being abused by her ex husband. She can not think clearly nor remember. She has legal papers stating she can not sign contracts. The fast talking salesmen had her and her friend who she refers as her husband confused and she did what they asked. Feeling stressed out, she figured she would cancel the next day when they called back.
when she was called, she was told she had 3 days to cancell..however, in those 3 days, she did call but was told there was no one available and leave her number for them to call back. She didn't hear from them until after the 3 days were over. she did talk to a coach, Cory Claunch who was going to "teach" her how to apply for ebay and pay pal, which she already had and never used. She kept telling the coach that she wasn't interested but he continued to confuse her and rush her off the phone. She tried several times to talk to Erin Murray the "Big Boss" but he is so busy ripping other people off that he continues to tell her he will call her back after he goes over her folder and he would "try" to help her get some of her money back and out of the contract but it would be hard since they pay everyone before they do any work.
We have included a sampling of what real students actually say about their Impact Training experience:”
"I'm learning to live in the moment and to lean in to my life! I'm creating love and trust in my world and to be my word.”
“It took me 7 years to go to Impact. I cannot believe I was so skeptical. Impact Training is a series of experiences that assisted me to look inward and release bad experiences from my past and to appreciate life. Appreciation in good times and bad. My experience started in January 2013; life still gets better every day. It sounds strange but I see issues that come up with a clearer outlook. Everyone seems to receive different gifts about themselves because it is individual learning. It isn't a lecture it is a different learning experience I have ever know. I am thankful everyday that I went through their doors! I have lifelong friends across the country now that I consider family! All I can say is don't be like me and waste 7 years - go to a free Tuesday class or phone conference. Sit in the back of the room or be silent on the phone and just listen...listen to your heart and you will know if this is right for you!”
"When I started my first training with Impact Training, it was completely different than what I thought it would be. Six years later I honestly can't believe (or I can) how the trainings have positively affected my life. Relationships are better. Businesses are better and I can create peace in my life at any moment I choose...amazing experience...I love experiential learning...go for it!”
“As I have attended courses at Impact Training, my life has been dramatically improved in a positive way! I have gained clarity for my life's purpose, who I am, and why I am here. I have released guilt, regret, and resentment towards others and myself that I had upon entering Impact. I gained a new-found gratitude for a 5 year relationship with my ex-husband that I used to feel pain and sorrow towards; I often victimized myself. I learned to be accountable for me and my life. Impact worked based on how well I kept my word and trusted the process. I came up with all of my own profound answers and most of the time it felt like I wasn't learning something new, but rather remembering.”
“My experiences at Impact Training continue to improve my relationship with others every day. I was very shy and mad about negative things that had hurt me or betrayed me. I would smile through life but suffer in silence. Impact has brought out the positive happy side and assisted me to appreciate everyday as a gift no matter what. I am so grateful for my angels Diana and Kelly for introducing me to this beautiful place. It holds a special place in my heart :)”
Impact Trainings Hans Berger, Sally Berger, Justin Atkinson, Impact Trainings staff in April 2004 How My Marriage Was Ended By an Organization Full of Frauds and Manipulators Bluffdale, Utah
In April of 2004 I was convinced by my soon to be ex wife at that time to go through the self help program put on by Impact Trainings, located in Bluffdale, Utah. What I discovered during the 2 stages of the program that I went to ended up being an overpriced, overrated, manipulative means of telling people how they needed to fix themselves. I firmly believe that this organization's purpose in existing was to tell people how to live their lives rather than those people finding the truth for themselves.
The organization in essence ruined the relationship between my ex wife and I as well as showed how much they were more concerned about fixing people instead of sharing experiences they had been through themselves as a means of inspiring people. After the first 2 stages I'd spent over $2,000 on their ridiculous programs as well as losing a job in the process. This company truly was only concerned about padding its bottom line than it was actually helping people improve their lives.
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and I can sit here to tell you that the program that Impact Trainings is based off of is relative to what the LDS Church teaches. The only difference between the two is that in learning the doctrines of the LDS Church will cost you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. No religion will try to manipulate or scam you into how you should live your life. I firmly believe that Impact Trainings exists only as a high priced, mental getaway for people who don't know how to fix themselves.
Impact Trainings Cult threatened my life when I decided to not continue. bluffdale, Utah
I was recruited to the Impact Trainings through someone who works with my best friend. We went to the first training (500$ each), and were led to believe that we were attending a professional career/communication conference (I know now that the cult members are forced to "recruit" a quota of members, or they are kicked out). I'm a teacher in California, so I thought this sounded great and worthwhile.
I knew right away that it wasn't what we were led to believe. The "leaders" right away yelled at everyone and made seemingly emotionally weak people break-down and cry. We were not allowed to eat, and on day 1, we were forced to turn in all prescribed medications (which I did not). We were told that we were not allowed to talk to outside people about anything that happened within the cult. They yelled and ridiculed many... We were forced to kneel in front of a chair and beat it, pretending it was one of our family members. When I refused, two leaders approached me and yelled at me. They threatened me and said that I wasn't "going the distance". I still refused to beat the chair. On another occasion, we were all forced to lay down and imagine being burried in a casket during our funeral. They told us that this was how our life would end, with our family members knowing that we weren't worthy of living. I saw even after one day, how very weak people instantly became dependent on the power hans had over them.
On the third day, my friend had to leave for a funeral. After the following day, I was so offended and disturbed by the activities that I told my "angel" (what they call the person in the cult who recruited you) that while respecting her own opionions and involvement within the organization, it was not for me and that I was leaving the next morning. I was verbally attacked by two cult members in a car. I was told that if I really decided to leave the cult, my life would amount to nothing and that "I would die." One of the members in the car was turned all the way around from the front seat, screaming at me and pointing her finger in my face. I was hoping these two individuals were taking me to a hotel, but didn't really know WHERE they were taking me/what would happen. I was scared for my life, but am grateful now that I made it out safe and sound.
I'm sharing this because I want people to be informed and stay away from this organization. My friend and I got out, and are so grateful we were strong enough to see through everything. FYI this cult member is a 50 year old VOLUNTEER coach at CAL BERKELEY. Coaching staff is aware of everything and this person will be removed from staff at the end of the year, however, this is serious. I have family members who work on the utah sate legislature, and it is only a matter of time before the government disasembles this cult. STAY AWAY.
Impact Training, Aka Impact Trainings Since 1985, Impact Bluffdale Utah, Hans Berger, Sally Berger Since 1985, Impact Bluffdale Utah, Quest, Summit, Lift-Off Impact Trainings uses humiliation, degradation, and mental abuse to hurt people emotionally and steal their money through high-pressure sales tactics. Literally forcing people to pay them thousands of dollars. Shouls be shut down by the Utah Attorney Generals Office Imnmediately!! Please Help!!! Bluffdale Utah
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My Impact Trainings Experience - Exposing the Training as nothing more than mind control and mental humiliation!
Ever been told by a person that has attended Impact Training in Bluffdale, Utah that they cant tell you about the processes and activities that occur in Impact Trainings?
Well, that's because Impact knows that if anyone really knew what happens inside the training room, nobody would sign-up. Who pays to be insulted, humiliated, degraded? Below you will find an account of many of the processes that occur in Impact Training.
THIS IS WHAT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW, AND HAVE FORCED THEIR PARTICIPANTS TO VOW NEVER TO REVEAL!
Having recently done the Impact Trainings "Quest" course I thought I would take the opportunity to write about the experience.
LGAT stands for Large Group Awareness Training. Most of these have their roots in a course called "Mind Dynamics" which was taught in California in the late 60s and early 70s. From this came the two largest LGATs;
est/WEA/Landmark Forum founded by Werner Erhardt, and Lifespring founded by John Hanley. Other LGATs include Insight Seminars, Actualizations, PSI World and many other smaller trainings which basically use a similar process.
An LGAT experience can be summarized as following a three step
pattern.
1) Psychological breakdown/opening up the subconscious mind.
2) Catharsis or the releasing of repressed emotions usually caused by
interpretations of childhood events.
3) A rebirthing or psychological buildup with processes designed to make participants
feel good about themselves, the trainer and the course.
These processes are not proprietary and can be found in a variety of books. For the most part I can document just about every process or a variation thereof used in the Impact Trainings in Bluffdale, Utah throughout Quest, Summit, or Lift-off!
DAY 1, Thursday evening. Agree or Else
The participants sign an agreement which includes non-disclosure of the processes used. It is my understanding that mental/therapeutic processess are not proprietary, and cannot be covered by patent, copyright or trade secret laws and thus violating nondisclosure
cannot hold up in court. I will refrain from mentioning the name of the specific training I experienced and any process used in the training that cannot be documented elsewhere.
Dr. Margaret Singer writes about LGATs in her book, "Cults in Our Midst".
"The program trainers and leaders typically get agreement from participants that they will not tell anyone about the processes that occur. To do so "will spoil it for your friends, family, co-workers
etc, when they take the course. Tell them what you got out of it trainers advise. This means be vague about the actual content and provide glowing endorsements telling others that the training turned your life around but do not tell them how emotional, dramatic, confrontational, and unnerving the sessions can be for some people.
Because of this promise, consumers who buy and attend these seminars do so without information about how psychologically, socially, and sometimes physically stressing the event can be."
"Day one is usually devoted to demonstrating the leader's absolute authority. The leader, or trainer immediately takes control of the setting with a demeanor that suggests he is a powerful, in-charge person and no one is to challenge what he says. He remains totally
in charge, acts knowledgeable, and is practiced in verbal skills so that he never loses an encounter. Anyone who challenges the trainer will be humiliated and verbally mashed."
The first day started Thursday evening around 7. After some introductory stuff welcoming people, etc. the trainer brings up *THE AGREEMENT*. The attitude and tone of voice of the trainer predictably becomes stern and unyielding in a way to purposely provoke a response from the attendees.
The first point brought up is about not revealing the processes or personal information that is shared. Since people will be sharing some very deep personal secrets then this is common sense but people do not know this in advance. The processes are not unique to the course and not proprietary but people do not know this.
The second point was about attending all the course including the followup session and also being on time. Several people objected to this stating they had other commitments family or otherwise. There were some people from out of town who could not make the next
Tuesday evening followup.
Everyone of them was was met with unyielding harshness from the trainer. One of the arguments the trainer makes was if they would only "get it" they could make the space for the course in their schedule and "getting it" would also keep others from interrupting their attendance. "Getting it", of course means that we create our own reality or experience by our thinking and interpretation.
However, this is not explained at this point and is designed only to provoke more responses from attendees. Several people storm out of the room. However there are ample staff people to handle those who leave. Outside, people are pressured by the staff to return to the
course. Most end up coming back in the room while a few never return.
Other rules include not talking unless called upon, not sitting next to anyone you knew prior to the training, no eating, drinking, gum chewing, etc. Some people saw fit to argue with that. At this point the show begins to get quite boring as it had been over 3 hours that
we were in the ballroom. At least we were allowed potty breaks as needed so I took one. When I got back the trainer was finishing up the agreements and we were asked to stand if we agreed. So we did.
Then we were allowed a 20 minute break. We were reminded to be in our seats (precisely arranged and marked with tape on the floor) on time for the next part.
When we come back there is lecture which include some of the basic philosophy/pop psychology of LGATs. One can certainly read about the philosophy in John Hanley's book, Lifespring available from Lifespring (www.lifespringinc.com)
Later we were asked to pair off into a diad (one on one exercises). What we did was an awareness exercise of staring into the other persons eyes in silence for several minutes. Then we were asked to introduce ourselves and have a conversation. At the end of the
exercise we were guided to close our eyes and remind ourselves of how we behaved in the exercise, did we open up and share or did we talk superficially.
Then we did "The Trust Exercise". This consists of milling around the
room, looking people in the eyes for a minute and stating one of only
three things.
Impact Training deceptive, misleading, non-forthcoming Bluffdale , Utah
Having several family/friends who previously attended Impact, Quest and beyond, I enrolled for "training" to run Sept. 8-11, 2010. I traveled from Maryland to attend.
Having some idea of what was contained in this "training" I noted particularly the bold and underlined text in Impact literature stating that sharing is completely voluntary. While instructions were given to bring all prescribed medications and to follow all doctor orders, there was no reference whatsoever to the "ground rules" requirement to share personal medical information with unknown, lay staff in order to continue in this process.
Just prior to the first break, the ground rules were explained and agreement to all was required by show of hand, standing or sitting down. It was at this point I was first informed that I would be required, without exception, to divulge to a staff member each prescription medication I take, dose and frequency. I declined to "share" this sensitive information and was told to leave.
Impact needs to inform registrants of this type of requirement prior to them plunking down hundreds and hundreds of dollars. I am in the process of seeing to it they do just that. I am seeking input from other like-minded, disatisfied people who have been misled and deceived by Impact.
Impact Training Quest, Summit They expect and force you to remain seated for extended periods of time, causing circulatory related problems. Bluffdale Utah
In order to 'break you down', this company forces you to remain seated in one position for extended periods of time. You are not tied down physically, but you are made an example in a mentally cruel way of not following directions if you deviate from their expectations in any way. If you voice a contradictory opinion to their repremand, you will be asked to leave the group, forfeiting your 'prox $700.00 tuition. Nobody dares move.
By staying seated for so long, at one point 5 1/2 hours, it can have an effect on the circulation to your legs, which it did. I have always been a reasonably active person, but after this, I was diagnosed with a large blood clot in my left leg. My wife had (has) severe swelling and aching in her legs and feet. Neither of us ever even used our medical insurance before this 'training'. Now our premiums have doubled, our activities are restricted and we are both on continual medicine. I have the severe risk of part of the clot moving to my heart or lungs.
We want to know if there are other people out there that have experienced problems similar to these after going through the 'training'. Contact me ASAP if you know of anyone with any conditions from Impact Training. Email is (((REDACTED FOR SECURITY PURPOSES))). It's now Mar '09, but you have 7 years!
I too went to Impact. I had a different experience. It was the best thing I ever did. The chair beating was not to pretend your beating up a family member at all. It was to simply let it all out so that when you went on to the next phase of forgiving them you could leave all of it behind. Everything that they do has a meaning and requires one to be able to look outside the box a little. The going to your own funural was brilliant!! And it worked for everyone I know that went through. It was to see that if you are taking life for granted than your not living. To awaken you to breath in the morning sunshine or soak up every moment possible with your kids.. To LIVE!!! To be able to see things from different perspectives is a wonderful gift that I gained from my Impact experience and your perspective is yours, But to say that you want to save others from going is just absurd. I know many who have completely transformed their lives after going. I know at times some people get into the victim mode about the negatives as they are learning to see things differently because they are scared. I believe that is you right now. What I can agree with you on is the money thing and that there are a few flaws in the company. But it's not all bad. It has changed the lives for many and transformed their future and what they have been able to accomplish in life. Not just financially but with real authentic love and apreciating the finer things in life. If you havn't gotten to that point yet than I can see why your frustrated and I wish the best to you in finding what ever it is your looking for. I wouldn't trade my experience for the World!! And I hope that every person in this world gets the chance to experience a self awareness training at some point or another and that they let go and learn to enjoy life. :)
Impact Training. Qwest, Summit Lift Off, training They break U down by putting you down and making u feel bad about what ever u did wrong. My Impact Trainings Experience - Exposing the Training as nothing more than mind control and mental humiliatio Bluffdale , Utah
My Impact Trainings Experience Exposing the Training as nothing more than mind control and mental humiliation! The break you down and build you up.
Ever been told by a person that has attended Impact Training in Bluffdale, Utah that they can't tell you about the processes and activities that occur in Impact Trainings?
Well, that's because Impact knows that if anyone really knew what happens inside the training room, nobody would sign-up. Who pays to be insulted, humiliated, degraded? Below you will find an account of many of the processes that occur in Impact Training. I paid 400 dollars for 4 days of insults and humiliation. They us some sort of mental tactic to open up our subconscious minds. then we start thinking about shit. they make us do some of the most ridiculous exercises. Like taking a bubble bath, sing ridiculous songs to make us work up our emotional side of us, insult total strangers and vise versus. I could go on and on about this scam. Its not worth spending 400 dollars worth.
Are you seeking to be happier, more loving, more at peace with yourself and others, more optimistic, more confident? If your answer is yes, we invite you to take part in the Impact Training Seminars. Impact is about change. It's for people who want more out of life and are willing to change in order to experience more peace, love and joy. During the course of your Impact Trainings you will have the opportunity to take a deep look at all the aspects of your life. You will take an honest look at your results and how you are creating them. In doing so, you will start to discover what is working and not working on a deeper level than ever before. Areas of your life that are creating results that are less than that what you are wanting will become clear. As you move through the training, you will discover that you naturally start to let go of the behaviors and thinking that are undermining your happiness and success in life. Many graduates report that after completing the Impact Trainings, they simply see the world and themselves differently. They just seem to be happier no matter what is happening. They feel valued and loved. They experience peace and forgiveness in their lives.
Everyone is experiencing different levels of happiness in their life. And depending on what is occurring on a moment to moment level, many experience temporary increases in their love, joy and peace. Most can remember what it felt like as a child at Christmas. All the anticipation and excitement that builds. The joy of opening a gift and discovering something wonderful to play with. But then, given a little time, the wonder wears off. The toy sits on the shelf and our level of happiness returns back to the level it was before, and the child's attention goes to the next toy that will for sure make them happy, at least for a little while. This is normal human behavior for most people. Many adults get to the point where things "just don't feel good." Some will attempt to fix this by changing jobs, getting divorced or buying bigger toys. But just like the child at Christmas, given a little time, things return to their "normal" levels. Some people even go out of their way to seek these temporary spikes in emotion. Just about everyone knows someone who is an "adrenalin junkie," always looking for the next extreme sport or activity so they can "Feel Alive." But then given time these spikes return back to their own unique normal levels and the individual is left anticipating the next spike in emotion. Again, this is normal.”
"But what if you could raise your unique "normal" level so that even when nothing is going on, you feel happy, loving and peaceful? This is one of the benefits of Impact Training. Impact Training empowers you to take significant leaps towards personal happiness. Impact is an amazing training in that no matter where you are starting at, you can move forward from there. So if you are already happy or if you are at rock bottom, you can move forward. Graduates often report that they can't seem to wipe the smile off their face. With this new level of happiness and self love, many grads report that they have new energy and commitment to take on the challenges of life. When you decide to take charge of your life, you choose for yourself the path you want to travel and incredible things will happen. In the Impact Trainings, you will learn that you have the power and the clarity within you. Come discover what life can be like when you let go of the things in life weighing you down.
I enrolled in the Impact Trainings several years ago and watched my quality of life decline dramatically until I finally pulled out. All the while my bank account was being drained as I paid for trainings that not only failed to add value but encouraged me to live and act in ways that tied me to Impact while disregarding everything else in my life.
No rational or sane person would choose to be involved with the Impact Trainings if they were able to see what went on behind those doors before having to pay a fee and allow the trainers and staff to slowly condition them over a period of several days. When I finally realized what was going on around me I was forced to choose between continued involvement with the group or severing several close family relationships. Impact's marketing strategy makes it very difficult to leave because every trainee is enrolled by someone close to them and severing contact with the training means (in most cases) that the relationship will be severed as well.
Impact begins initiating trainees into its community in the Quest training. When I attended the Quest training it cost $550. Quest consists of four days of mostly intense and degrading activities that are designed to teach trainees obedience to the trainer. Once that obedience has been established the trainers and staff are able to manipulate the trainees emotions at will. This emotional control is used repeatedly through out the rest of the series to keep people paying for more training and enrolling their family and friends. After several days of degradation and a final day where the Impact trainers begin to espouse the early stages of their religious beliefs, the Quest training ends with a "graduation" and a final activity where all of the Quest trainees are either enrolled into the next stage of the training or publicly chastised for "selling out".
Summit is the second stage and cost $795 at the time that I took the training. Summit begins with a day of degradation where trainees are assigned "alternate names" such as "Daddy's Joy Toy", "Womb for Rent", "Still Nursing", "Pee wee pervert", etc and then required to visualize themselves dying and being placed in coffins because they do not deserve to live. The next 3 days involve building the trainees back up and further creating a strong sense of community inside the center by assigning people to small groups and requiring them to act out embarrassing skits (for example a group of heavy set women may be required to dress as cows, whales or belly dancers). Like Quest, the Summit Training ends with a graduation and hard-sell commitment activity designed to get people to pay for the next level. At this stage in my training there were several trainees who's finances were so tight that they resorted to begging for money from other people in the group.
Lift-Off was the third stage of the training and cost $695 at the time that I was involved. Unlike the first two trainings, which were conducted over a 4 day period, Lift-Off consisted of 4 weekends that were spread over a 13 week period. The four weekends all had different themes, one of which was "enrollment weekend" where trainees went out as groups in an effort to fill seats at the next Quest training. Each Trainee in Lift-Off was assigned a specific staff member that they were required to call 3 times a week. Lift-Off was not as dramatic as the other trainings and as a result there were not as many break downs among the trainees. Lift-Off seemed to solidify much of the conditioning that occurred in Quest and Summit as well as provide a bridge between the first two trainings and the next series.
After Lift-Off, trainees are encouraged to "keep their training alive" by volunteering to work on the staff in future Quest, Summit and Lift-Off trainings. Impact Trainings does not screen their volunteer staff at all. I was aware of several registered sex offenders that were allowed to be leaders over new trainees, one of them even staffed a training for teens. I knew of 4 staff members, in my 2 years with the company, who engaged in sexual relationships with trainees. Despite these egregious actions by staff members, I never saw Impact make any effort to screen their staff members for the protection of the new trainees. Since the Impact community claims to value love and forgiveness above all else, the lack of screening is justified by the "everyone deserves a second chance" philosophy.
The next step for the trainees is to begin the "Trainer in Training" program. Trainer in Training 1 cost $1500 and was the first training specifically designed to influence the trainees' religious beliefs and spirituality. Hans Berger spoke openly in my training of his alleged communications with spirits. He also claimed to have worked in "Intelligence" for the US government. One of the processes in this training involves Hans giving detailed, non-biblical, accounts of the life of Jesus. Later on in the Trainer in Training series Hans claimed to have learned this information and the processes of the Impact Trainings themselves through face to face communicatons with Jesus, Buddha and other "Ascended Masters".
Trainer in Training 2 cost $1800 and further developed the trainees belief that they had the power to create miracles and talk with the deceased. Many trainees at this stage begin to revere Hans Berger as a prophet. The Impact trainers would periodically make statements such as "Hans is not a Prophet" or "Impact Trainings is not a religion" but those statements only served to change the trainees' language as they still continue to build their lives around every word that came out of Hans' mouth.
The Impact Trainings is a manipulative self improvement training that grows into a religious cult where the trainers act like gods among men. I personally heard Hans state on several occasions "I am God". If you are considering attending the Impact Trainings I highly recommend consulting a trained and licensed therapist. In my 2 years of involvement with the training I never saw anyone leave the group in a state of emotional health. Those that stayed continued to pay large amounts of money to the group and spend several weeks each year providing free labor on the volunteer staff.