On June 11th I went to Black Weapons Armory and paid $1750 dollars down for an LWRC R.E.P.R. Although I was going to pay a few hundred dollars more versus the internet, it is really important to me to support local businesses. I was told it would take two to three months to arrive and they would call when it did. At the three-month point I called and asked for an update. Tom, the owner, said that the rifles were taking a long time to ship due to demand. I immediately began to worry when I got online and did more research on Black Weapons Armory and saw almost exclusively negative reviews including a piece by KVOA news in Tucson about a very similar situation but involving much less money. I called LWRC International and asked the sales department specifically about the availability of the rifle I ordered and they said the rifle was on the shelves and they could have it to me in three days. I called BWA back the next week after not receiving a call from them to inquire about the rifle. I was told the same backorder story and I explained to them that I had spoken to the company and what they told me about having the rifle on the shelves. They said that was not the case and they did not know why I was told that. At the four-month point I called LWRC back to inquire further about the rifle availability and ask some more specific questions. I was told the rifle had been available to ship for several months and there had been no delay in shipping in 2014. I called BWA and confronted them with this information and Tom, even knowing that I had spoken to the company, continued to lie to me about the status of my rifle and said LWRC had not released them for shipping yet. Complete lie. At this point I was very concerned about losing all of my down payment for what I thought could be their second bankruptcy situation. I decided I would take the $350 hit for the 20% return fee that I was going to be charged even though my gun had never been ordered. I did not want to lose my entire $1750 down payment. I called Tom to give him a heads up that I would be in the next day to get my money back so that he could have the cash on hand. He told me that the rifle had been ordered so it was too late. I said great, I will come in tomorrow and we can call LWRC together and confirm the order and I would be satisfied. He became very defensive and said that I shouldn’t do that and he didn’t appreciate “being babysat” on this deal. I politely said I would see him tomorrow and hung up. I called LWRC and confirmed that was also a lie. The next day as I was driving in I called LWRC to confirm that the sales rep that I had been working closely with over the last several weeks would be available to take a call in a few minutes. He informed me that my rifle had been ordered five minutes earlier. I chose not to go to BWA and decided to wait for the rifle to come in. Three days later they called and I went in and picked up the rifle and paid the rest of the balance. That was on October 29th, 4 ½ months after the down payment was made. I think I was most shocked and insulted by the continuous lies I was told even after telling them that I was in direct communication with the company. They were obviously playing some type of shell game with peoples money and I was not the first to have this problem. I can’t imagine they will be in business much longer and someone is going to get screwed if they have given them money. LWRC was very helpful and apologetic throughout and they make an amazing product. I highly recommend them but I also highly recommend that no one give Black Weapons Armory their money without touching the product. Very simply, dishonest and bad business practices. Do your research.
On 3 April, 2013 I went to a gun store in Tucson, Arizona with the intent to buy a new pistol. The store is named Black Weapons Armory at 5645 E. Broadway Blvd. and they specialize in AR stuff. The fellow I spoke to said he wasn't familiar with it as it had only recently been introduced to the marketplace. He said they had to order it and his dad said that they couldn't guarantee a delivery date and with me knowing what all the manufacturers were going through at the time, I went ahead and ordered it anyway, putting 50% down in cash and left the store.
The next week I went into Tucson to run some errands and I had the extra cash in my pocket and I was really excited about this new pistol so on my way out of town I stopped in to pay off the balance with the grand total being $692.79. I waited about 6 or 7 months and I finally called them about my pistol and they said it still wasn't in. About 9 months went by and I sent a email to Rock Island Armory who manufactures it in the Philippines and asked if there were any production delays or problems and the fellow, Scott replied that ""No, there aren't any problems"" and that I should have gotten my pistol a long time ago. I checked on line with Gunbroker.com and found that there were 8 or 10 stores across the country that had them in stock and ready to ship the next day for up to $150.00 LESS than what I paid Black Weapons Armory. I again stopped by the store and spoke once more to Tommy R. about my long missing gun and asked him if they couldn't just get one from one of the stores that did have them and he said no, because they wouldn't be able to make their usual profit.
Now it's been a full 368 days later and still no pistol. About 2 weeks ago I saw a different pistol for sale in Pennsylvania that's a pretty hot seller and is hard to come by and the store, Wallenpaupack Sport in Hawley, PA., had one at a reasonable price so I comitted to buy it on a Saturday, called them Monday and paid for it and in less than a week it was in my hands and was running ammo through it. Apparently Black Weapons Armory has absolutely ZERO concerns with customer satisfaction and I will make every attempt to badmouth them at every chance I can. Badmouth you say? No, I just tell the TRUTH!
On 3 April, 2013 I went to a gun store in Tucson, Arizona with the intent to buy a new pistol. The store is named Black Weapons Armory at 5645 E. Broadway Blvd. and they specialize in AR stuff. The fellow I spoke to said he wasn't familiar with it as it had only recently been introduced to the marketplace. He said they had to order it and his dad said that they couldn't guarantee a delivery date and with me knowing what all the manufacturers were going through at the time, I went ahead and ordered it anyway, putting 50% down in cash and left the store.
The next week I went into Tucson to run some errands and I had the extra cash in my pocket and I was really excited about this new pistol so on my way out of town I stopped in to pay off the balance with the grand total being $692.79. I waited about 6 or 7 months and I finally called them about my pistol and they said it still wasn't in. About 9 months went by and I sent a email to Rock Island Armory who manufactures it in the Philippines and asked if there were any production delays or problems and the fellow, Scott replied that ""No, there aren't any problems"" and that I should have gotten my pistol a long time ago. I checked on line with Gunbroker.com and found that there were 8 or 10 stores across the country that had them in stock and ready to ship the next day for up to $150.00 LESS than what I paid Black Weapons Armory. I again stopped by the store and spoke once more to Tommy R. about my long missing gun and asked him if they couldn't just get one from one of the stores that did have them and he said no, because they wouldn't be able to make their usual profit.
Now it's been a full 368 days later and still no pistol. About 2 weeks ago I saw a different pistol for sale in Pennsylvania that's a pretty hot seller and is hard to come by and the store, Wallenpaupack Sport in Hawley, PA., had one at a reasonable price so I comitted to buy it on a Saturday, called them Monday and paid for it and in less than a week it was in my hands and was running ammo through it. Apparently Black Weapons Armory has absolutely ZERO concerns with customer satisfaction and I will make every attempt to badmouth them at every chance I can. Badmouth you say? No, I just tell the TRUTH!
In November of 2014 I purchased an Advanced Armament Corp Ti-Rant 9mm Silencer; we created a trust with Black Weapons Armory; they were going to keep the silencer in their safe while the ATF completed the paperwork for my stamp.
Sometime in January of 2015 my wife and I visited the store just to find the doors locked and posted the company had changed their business strategy and retail sales would only be completed by appointment only.
Out of concern I callled the store to flnd out what was going on and what the status of my silencer was.
I called several times with no reply. When Tom finally returned my call I told him I wanted to transfer my trust to another gun shop. He told me not to worry that I would still be getting my silencer; I told him I want to transfer trust, he said do not worry about it, he stated they were working with ATF to get paperwork completed in shorter time. I told him I wanted to transfer the trust; he told me not to worry and hung up.
Now i find out the store is closed and under investifation; I paid $850 for my silencer and $200 to ATF; I am out $1050. Is there anylthing I can do to get my silencer.
I figure the serial number for my silencer is on the ATF paperwork; how can they sell it to anyone else. I just want the silencer I paid for; I just want the trust transferre assuming that is still a possibility.
On 3 April, 2013 I went to a gun store in Tucson, Arizona with the intent to buy a new pistol. The store is named Black Weapons Armory at 5645 E. Broadway Blvd. and they specialize in AR stuff. The fellow I spoke to said he wasn't familiar with it as it had only recently been introduced to the marketplace. He said they had to order it and his dad said that they couldn't guarantee a delivery date and with me knowing what all the manufacturers were going through at the time, I went ahead and ordered it anyway, putting 50% down in cash and left the store.
The next week I went into Tucson to run some errands and I had the extra cash in my pocket and I was really excited about this new pistol so on my way out of town I stopped in to pay off the balance with the grand total being $692.79. I waited about 6 or 7 months and I finally called them about my pistol and they said it still wasn't in. About 9 months went by and I sent a email to Rock Island Armory who manufactures it in the Philippines and asked if there were any production delays or problems and the fellow, Scott replied that "No, there aren't any problems" and that I should have gotten my pistol a long time ago. I checked on line with Gunbroker.com and found that there were 8 or 10 stores across the country that had them in stock and ready to ship the next day for up to $150.00 LESS than what I paid Black Weapons Armory. I again stopped by the store and spoke once more to Tommy R. about my long missing gun and asked him if they couldn't just get one from one of the stores that did have them and he said no, because they wouldn't be able to make their usual profit.
Now it's been a full 368 days later and still no pistol. About 2 weeks ago I saw a different pistol for sale in Pennsylvania that's a pretty hot seller and is hard to come by and the store, Wallenpaupack Sport in Hawley, PA., had one at a reasonable price so I comitted to buy it on a Saturday, called them Monday and paid for it and in less than a week it was in my hands and was running ammo through it. Apparently Black Weapons Armory has absolutely ZERO concerns with customer satisfaction and I will make every attempt to badmouth them at every chance I can. Badmouth you say? No, I just tell the TRUTH!
Black Weapons Armory Reviews
On June 11th I went to Black Weapons Armory and paid $1750 dollars down for an LWRC R.E.P.R. Although I was going to pay a few hundred dollars more versus the internet, it is really important to me to support local businesses. I was told it would take two to three months to arrive and they would call when it did. At the three-month point I called and asked for an update. Tom, the owner, said that the rifles were taking a long time to ship due to demand. I immediately began to worry when I got online and did more research on Black Weapons Armory and saw almost exclusively negative reviews including a piece by KVOA news in Tucson about a very similar situation but involving much less money. I called LWRC International and asked the sales department specifically about the availability of the rifle I ordered and they said the rifle was on the shelves and they could have it to me in three days. I called BWA back the next week after not receiving a call from them to inquire about the rifle. I was told the same backorder story and I explained to them that I had spoken to the company and what they told me about having the rifle on the shelves. They said that was not the case and they did not know why I was told that. At the four-month point I called LWRC back to inquire further about the rifle availability and ask some more specific questions. I was told the rifle had been available to ship for several months and there had been no delay in shipping in 2014. I called BWA and confronted them with this information and Tom, even knowing that I had spoken to the company, continued to lie to me about the status of my rifle and said LWRC had not released them for shipping yet. Complete lie. At this point I was very concerned about losing all of my down payment for what I thought could be their second bankruptcy situation. I decided I would take the $350 hit for the 20% return fee that I was going to be charged even though my gun had never been ordered. I did not want to lose my entire $1750 down payment. I called Tom to give him a heads up that I would be in the next day to get my money back so that he could have the cash on hand. He told me that the rifle had been ordered so it was too late. I said great, I will come in tomorrow and we can call LWRC together and confirm the order and I would be satisfied. He became very defensive and said that I shouldn’t do that and he didn’t appreciate “being babysat” on this deal. I politely said I would see him tomorrow and hung up. I called LWRC and confirmed that was also a lie. The next day as I was driving in I called LWRC to confirm that the sales rep that I had been working closely with over the last several weeks would be available to take a call in a few minutes. He informed me that my rifle had been ordered five minutes earlier. I chose not to go to BWA and decided to wait for the rifle to come in. Three days later they called and I went in and picked up the rifle and paid the rest of the balance. That was on October 29th, 4 ½ months after the down payment was made. I think I was most shocked and insulted by the continuous lies I was told even after telling them that I was in direct communication with the company. They were obviously playing some type of shell game with peoples money and I was not the first to have this problem. I can’t imagine they will be in business much longer and someone is going to get screwed if they have given them money. LWRC was very helpful and apologetic throughout and they make an amazing product. I highly recommend them but I also highly recommend that no one give Black Weapons Armory their money without touching the product. Very simply, dishonest and bad business practices. Do your research.
On 3 April, 2013 I went to a gun store in Tucson, Arizona with the intent to buy a new pistol. The store is named Black Weapons Armory at 5645 E. Broadway Blvd. and they specialize in AR stuff. The fellow I spoke to said he wasn't familiar with it as it had only recently been introduced to the marketplace. He said they had to order it and his dad said that they couldn't guarantee a delivery date and with me knowing what all the manufacturers were going through at the time, I went ahead and ordered it anyway, putting 50% down in cash and left the store.
The next week I went into Tucson to run some errands and I had the extra cash in my pocket and I was really excited about this new pistol so on my way out of town I stopped in to pay off the balance with the grand total being $692.79. I waited about 6 or 7 months and I finally called them about my pistol and they said it still wasn't in. About 9 months went by and I sent a email to Rock Island Armory who manufactures it in the Philippines and asked if there were any production delays or problems and the fellow, Scott replied that ""No, there aren't any problems"" and that I should have gotten my pistol a long time ago. I checked on line with Gunbroker.com and found that there were 8 or 10 stores across the country that had them in stock and ready to ship the next day for up to $150.00 LESS than what I paid Black Weapons Armory. I again stopped by the store and spoke once more to Tommy R. about my long missing gun and asked him if they couldn't just get one from one of the stores that did have them and he said no, because they wouldn't be able to make their usual profit.
Now it's been a full 368 days later and still no pistol. About 2 weeks ago I saw a different pistol for sale in Pennsylvania that's a pretty hot seller and is hard to come by and the store, Wallenpaupack Sport in Hawley, PA., had one at a reasonable price so I comitted to buy it on a Saturday, called them Monday and paid for it and in less than a week it was in my hands and was running ammo through it. Apparently Black Weapons Armory has absolutely ZERO concerns with customer satisfaction and I will make every attempt to badmouth them at every chance I can. Badmouth you say? No, I just tell the TRUTH!
On 3 April, 2013 I went to a gun store in Tucson, Arizona with the intent to buy a new pistol. The store is named Black Weapons Armory at 5645 E. Broadway Blvd. and they specialize in AR stuff. The fellow I spoke to said he wasn't familiar with it as it had only recently been introduced to the marketplace. He said they had to order it and his dad said that they couldn't guarantee a delivery date and with me knowing what all the manufacturers were going through at the time, I went ahead and ordered it anyway, putting 50% down in cash and left the store.
The next week I went into Tucson to run some errands and I had the extra cash in my pocket and I was really excited about this new pistol so on my way out of town I stopped in to pay off the balance with the grand total being $692.79. I waited about 6 or 7 months and I finally called them about my pistol and they said it still wasn't in. About 9 months went by and I sent a email to Rock Island Armory who manufactures it in the Philippines and asked if there were any production delays or problems and the fellow, Scott replied that ""No, there aren't any problems"" and that I should have gotten my pistol a long time ago. I checked on line with Gunbroker.com and found that there were 8 or 10 stores across the country that had them in stock and ready to ship the next day for up to $150.00 LESS than what I paid Black Weapons Armory. I again stopped by the store and spoke once more to Tommy R. about my long missing gun and asked him if they couldn't just get one from one of the stores that did have them and he said no, because they wouldn't be able to make their usual profit.
Now it's been a full 368 days later and still no pistol. About 2 weeks ago I saw a different pistol for sale in Pennsylvania that's a pretty hot seller and is hard to come by and the store, Wallenpaupack Sport in Hawley, PA., had one at a reasonable price so I comitted to buy it on a Saturday, called them Monday and paid for it and in less than a week it was in my hands and was running ammo through it. Apparently Black Weapons Armory has absolutely ZERO concerns with customer satisfaction and I will make every attempt to badmouth them at every chance I can. Badmouth you say? No, I just tell the TRUTH!
In November of 2014 I purchased an Advanced Armament Corp Ti-Rant 9mm Silencer; we created a trust with Black Weapons Armory; they were going to keep the silencer in their safe while the ATF completed the paperwork for my stamp.
Sometime in January of 2015 my wife and I visited the store just to find the doors locked and posted the company had changed their business strategy and retail sales would only be completed by appointment only.
Out of concern I callled the store to flnd out what was going on and what the status of my silencer was.
I called several times with no reply. When Tom finally returned my call I told him I wanted to transfer my trust to another gun shop. He told me not to worry that I would still be getting my silencer; I told him I want to transfer trust, he said do not worry about it, he stated they were working with ATF to get paperwork completed in shorter time. I told him I wanted to transfer the trust; he told me not to worry and hung up.
Now i find out the store is closed and under investifation; I paid $850 for my silencer and $200 to ATF; I am out $1050. Is there anylthing I can do to get my silencer.
I figure the serial number for my silencer is on the ATF paperwork; how can they sell it to anyone else. I just want the silencer I paid for; I just want the trust transferre assuming that is still a possibility.
On 3 April, 2013 I went to a gun store in Tucson, Arizona with the intent to buy a new pistol. The store is named Black Weapons Armory at 5645 E. Broadway Blvd. and they specialize in AR stuff. The fellow I spoke to said he wasn't familiar with it as it had only recently been introduced to the marketplace. He said they had to order it and his dad said that they couldn't guarantee a delivery date and with me knowing what all the manufacturers were going through at the time, I went ahead and ordered it anyway, putting 50% down in cash and left the store.
The next week I went into Tucson to run some errands and I had the extra cash in my pocket and I was really excited about this new pistol so on my way out of town I stopped in to pay off the balance with the grand total being $692.79. I waited about 6 or 7 months and I finally called them about my pistol and they said it still wasn't in. About 9 months went by and I sent a email to Rock Island Armory who manufactures it in the Philippines and asked if there were any production delays or problems and the fellow, Scott replied that "No, there aren't any problems" and that I should have gotten my pistol a long time ago. I checked on line with Gunbroker.com and found that there were 8 or 10 stores across the country that had them in stock and ready to ship the next day for up to $150.00 LESS than what I paid Black Weapons Armory. I again stopped by the store and spoke once more to Tommy R. about my long missing gun and asked him if they couldn't just get one from one of the stores that did have them and he said no, because they wouldn't be able to make their usual profit.
Now it's been a full 368 days later and still no pistol. About 2 weeks ago I saw a different pistol for sale in Pennsylvania that's a pretty hot seller and is hard to come by and the store, Wallenpaupack Sport in Hawley, PA., had one at a reasonable price so I comitted to buy it on a Saturday, called them Monday and paid for it and in less than a week it was in my hands and was running ammo through it. Apparently Black Weapons Armory has absolutely ZERO concerns with customer satisfaction and I will make every attempt to badmouth them at every chance I can. Badmouth you say? No, I just tell the TRUTH!